. >> right to work is about lessening worker's voice in government and the workplace. >> if it's not about economic development, is it more of a political action against the progressive movement? >> i absolutely thingk it is. we have seen all kinds of voter suppression, suppression of democratic rights. this is another example. the wealthy -- this is really driven by wealthy forces in michigan that you know well, the debos. family others dick debos, and they want the wealthy to get more and more and the workers to get less and less to try to push us down to third-world level on wages and benefits. it's outrage ooze. it shows the tremendous -- actually we did him 10 days of really fruitful discussions about how to change the dynamics in michigan, how to change the climate, with the governor with the head of the senate the head of the house. then the right-wing pressure came down and the governor n my view caved to that pressure. >> but i heard that one of the entities also funding this in addition to the bill yon air, dick devos is bill i don't believeair koch brothers with americans